Enough plants for a garden? The Politics of Planting

Well as if this wasn't bad enough: Clinton Campaign Gets Caught Planting Questions it gets worse.

And a new phrase is coined: the politics of planting:
"In light of a weak debate performance, not to mention a persistent inability to answer the tough questions, it appears the Clinton campaign has adopted a new strategy of planting questions," John Edwards’ Communications Director Chris Kofinis said. "It’s what the Clinton campaign calls the politics of planting."

And apparently it isn't actually a new strategy. Fox now has up an exclusive interview from someone claiming he was asked to plant an Iraq question at a Clinton event:

Another Question Planted by Team Hillary?

In a telephone interview with Fox, Geoffrey Mitchell, 32, says he was approached by an operative for the Clinton campaign to ask a planted question about standing up to President Bush on Iraq war funding. The encounter happened before an event on a farm outside Fort Madison, Iowa. The Clinton event was hosted by Iowa State Sen. Gene Fraise.

Mitchell tells Fox that Clinton campaign worker Chris Hayler approached him and asked him to ask Sen. Clinton a question about how she was standing up to President Bush on the question of funding the Iraq war and a troop withdrawal timeline.

Mitchell told Fox the Clinton campaign wanted to contrast Clinton to Sen Barack Obama, who had recently said the president would probably prevail in the Iraq funding battle with Congress.

Mitchell said he refused to ask the question.

"I told Chris I had other issues I wanted to raise with Sen. CLinton," MItchell said. Asked what those were, Mitchell said: "I wanted to ask her why she voted for the Iraq war and why she didn't consider that a mistake."

Mitchel told Fox that Hayler, the Clinton campaign worker, was unhappy and moved on to others. "I know he tried to have others ask that question," Mitchell said.

Ultimately, Mitchell said Clinton took no questions at the event.

and not exactly a fervent denial from the Clinton campaign:


Hillary Clinton's Iowa campaign confirmed to Fox that one of its staff discussed questions with Geoffrey Mitchell before the senator's April 2 event near Fort Madison, but denied atempting to plant a pro-Clinton question.

Mo Elliethee, spokesman for CLinton, told Fox that Clinton staffer Chris Hayler talked with Mitchell before the event bcause the two knew eaach other from previous Democratic activities.

Mitchell told Fox he knew Hayler because Hayler had once been with Indian Sen. Evan Bayhn's campaign. "They had a previous relationship and were talking before the event and the topic of the senator's position on Iraq came up, and Geoffrey said he had some questions," Elliethee said. "Chris suggested Geoffrey ask a question."

Asked if the Clinton campaign denied Mitchell's unequivocal assertion that Hayler tried to plant a quesiton about Clinton trying to stand up to Bush on IRaq war funding, Elliethee declined.

"I'm not going to comment on what he said," said Elleithee, referring to Mitchell. "They had a previous relationship, the subject came up and there's nothing more to it than that. It's not newsworthy. It's inocent. It's not yesterday."

This story was also apparently broke in part earlier by Politico but didn't receive much coverage: Obama Faces Battle Over Iraq War Opposition

which makes you wonder, even though a date hasn't been given, how long has this been going on? According to earlier articles, this isn't the Clinton campaign's policy but that's getting hard to believe.

And as an aside, John Edwards was asked about this earlier today; here's his comments from Politico writer Ben Smith, who was there, :

Edwards, in a press conference after his speech to the Farmers' Union, hit Hillary for planting a question at an Iowa event.

"That's what George does: George Bush goes to events that are staged where people are screened," he said. "That's not the way democracy works in Iowa."

And even more details from CNN:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/10/democratic-rivals-respond-to-clintons-planted-question/

"Thats not the way democracy works in Iowa," Edwards said in response to questions on the topic, "and it's not the way it works in New Hampshire. I mean if you actually want to be president of the United States, you go out, you face people–which I've done–in every one of the 99 counties in Iowa and answer their questions." "We don't stage questions. We go in and answer the questions that are aksed, and that's the way it's supposed to work in the cuacus process."

Isn't one dynasty enough? With planting like this, the Monsanto lobbyist fundraisers for "rural" America, the refusal to give straight answers, haven't we had enough of this?

UPDATE:
Politico also talked with the person mentioned in the Fox story:

"I just talked to Mitchell again -- whose story today, by the way, is identical to what he told me a few minutes after the incident -- and he talked a little about how he felt at the time about the request.

"I thought it was inappropriate," he said. "The tradition of the Iowa caucuses is the ability to ask the questions of the people that are on the ground, that are living in Iowa, as opposed to talking about what they already want to talk about. It just lacks authenticity."

Pretty much given up updating this; the story is too big and being run all over. We have a pattern of deception here folks and no ammount of spin is going to change that.


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Re: Enough plants for a garden (1.66 / 6)

bush-like


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 04:45:39 PM EST

Id like to think we can beat the Republicans (2.00 / 5)

without becoming them in the process. If you can't take honest questions and give honest answers, you shouldn't be running.


by okamichan13 on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 04:53:09 PM EST

This is (2.00 / 1)

a strong echo of the plagerism story that derailed Biden's last bid...

The Clintons make me so angry


Bring Back MyDD - Just say No to Rec'ing Candidate Diaries.
by CardBoard on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 05:04:50 PM EST

Re: The Politics of Planting (2.00 / 3)

Now the Clinton campaign gets to reap what it has sown.  Some of the plants don't have a pleasant fragrance.

This is the flawless campaign showing leadership and Clinton in command.  It looks like Mark Penn has been trying to orchestrate a false picture.

I find it fascinating how all these little pieces are having this perfect campaign fall apart.  

If the campaign can't handle these mistakes gracefully then it tells me she will be a very weak general election candidate.  

The Republicans will eat her alive.  How would she handle a real debate with just her Republican challenger?

Actually I have been astounded how mismanaged her campaign has been for the lase two weeks.  

And this is hurting her in those polls they love around here.


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by pioneer111 on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 05:09:36 PM EST

The Politics of Planting (2.00 / 2)

To be honest with you, I doubt this would have significantly hurt the Clinton campaign, however, this is probably the worst time it could have happened.  The story broke out just before a big event in Iowa (Jefferson Jackson dinner tonight) And Clinton is or has (Not sure if the poll numbers were going to continue dropping or not) taking or taken a hit for the last debate.  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 05:09:54 PM EST

I think Iowans value honesty (2.00 / 3)

above just about everything else. The timing is bad true, but there seems to be a pattern, and also comes after a lot of the criticism of her inability to give straigh answers.

It fits in the narrative. And when she doesn't control the narrative of her own campaign, its certianly not good for it with only 2 months left.


by okamichan13 on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 05:22:54 PM EST
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Re: Enough plants for a garden? (2.00 / 3)

Great diary, Okamachan13!!

Plant trees, not questions!!!


by TomP on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 05:16:42 PM EST

Re: Enough plants for a garden? (2.00 / 2)

Can I just keep supporting Edwards now?  He's never lied to me .... since 2003 !


by catchawave on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 05:17:56 PM EST

Reap What You Sow (2.00 / 2)

Is Clinton's campaign smoking what it's planting?

This sounds like a Rovian tactic that I thought only the elitist republicans would use.

I want a candidate with higher ethics. "Fool me once, but can't fool me again." GWB  


by funphil on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 05:29:01 PM EST

She did it at YearlyKos too (2.00 / 2)

At her breakout session:

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2007/11 /9/18391/1402/32#c32

The linked comments contrast her performance with Edwards's breakout session, which I attended. I was very impressed that he seemed to go out of his way to field tough questions by calling on people wearing OTHER campaigns' stickers and buttons.


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by Jim in Chicago on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 05:50:50 PM EST

Well I give up updating (2.00 / 2)

this story moves too fast and too big.

For more breaking details see NBC here on the 2nd plant and interview with him where he denies the Clinton campaigns response:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2 007/11/10/460034.aspx

and see CNN here:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

She better hope the long weekend kills this nationally, but it won't kill it in Iowa, thats for sure.


by okamichan13 on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 06:22:07 PM EST

Clinton Plantation:No plant left behind (none / 0)

lol


by pmb on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 07:23:02 PM EST

Packaging Lies (2.00 / 3)

When the Clinton campaign is packaging lies (let's make this planted question look spontaneous from an innocent bystander) and selling them to the American people as "reality," you know all of us are in deep, deep trouble.  America is in deep, deep trouble.

Talk about an erosion of trust. Remember the truth?  Is NOTHING sacred any more?  What has become of us?  What has become of our democracy?

And this is somebody who wants to be our next president? Is this what we Democrats stand for? Packaged lies?  

Actually, this very sad news reminded me of a diary (or post) here at MyDD, a few months ago, wherein someone who had lost their home to foreclosure was asked by the Clinton campaign to twist (misrepresent?) their personal story for the media to help Hillary at an event.  

Does anyone else remember that diary or post?  Can anyone provide a link to it?  I'd like to go back and read it to see if it has any bearing on this latest news...

This kind of behavior is destroying our democracy.  


by Demo37 on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 09:05:42 PM EST

Re: Packaging Lies (none / 0)

Here ya' go, Clinton Speaks, Homeowners Mourn, from August.


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 09:30:45 PM EST
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Thanks (none / 0)

Thanks Shaun. Yes, that is the one.  

I remember reading that diary and wondering why that story received so little attention in the MSM.

Deliberate efforts to mislead the electorate really irk me. Enough.
 


by Demo37 on Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 12:24:13 PM EST
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This story has legs because (2.00 / 2)

in the age of youtube no candidate or campaign can guarantee that there isn't a video camera, cell phone camera, or digital voice recorder going at some point that backs stuff like this up.

They have to come clean because the coverup is always worse.

That's my first point.

My second is that the candidate always has the option to modify any event - after all it is their event. They can suddenly decide "Hey, today I want to hear what voters think" give a short stump speech and focus on questions.

It is completely apparent that Hillary Clinton would rather talk to people by giving a speech than receive questions from people who haven't been screened. That is the way her campaign events have overwhelmingly been run.

What does this say about her?

She like control, fears the unknown that comes with a unscripted event and lacks confidence to stand there in a room full of people and handle possibly questions in which she will be held accountable.

She seeks to be the highest elected public servant in the land.

That's the word that used to be used more frequently :elected officials are public servants. In our democracy is it the citizen that is suppose to have the control and the ability to hold these public servants accountable. She seeks to avoid that accountability by avoiding even the simplest of "open Town hall" events.

It is sad really.

But very instructive.

Oh, and not all the candidates do this either. That is an insult to the good public servants who relish the question and answer periods of a meet and greet.

The youtube culture will help save our democracy -you want the job? You'll stand the heat.


by merbex on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 10:30:51 PM EST

Re: Think I saw this on The Simpsons. (none / 0)

Homer: Now, Mrs. Clinton. My family and I feel that taxes are too high. Where do you stand on this highly controversial issue?

Mrs Clinton: Goodness, I didn't realise this casual dinner was going to turn into a charged political debate.

Homer: I was only reading what the card says.

Mrs Clinton: Homer, I agree with you, and if I am elected President, I will lower taxes whether those bureaucrats in the capital like it or not!


by Bush Bites on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 10:38:44 PM EST

Re: Yep, it was The Simpsons. (2.00 / 1)

Lisa: Mrs Clinton, your campaign seems to have the momentum of a run-away freight train. Why are you so popular?

Mrs Clinton: Oh, a tough question, but a fair one. Lisa, there's no single answer. Some voters respond to my integrity. Others are more impressed by my incorruptibility. Still others like my determination to lower taxes and the bureaucrats in the capital can put that in their pipes and smoke it!


by Bush Bites on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 10:39:42 PM EST

The Politics of Planting (2.00 / 2)

Interesting that the Clinton brigade isn't in here defending her yet.  They must be awaiting instructions from HDQ.


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Sun Nov 11, 2007 at 10:09:52 AM EST

Re: The Politics of Planting (1.66 / 3)

They already got instructions from headquarters.  
The defenses weren't working.  
So new tactics are needed.  
Ignore the story and it will go away. LOL.

When pushback doesn't work stop pushing back.
Also if the story is true what can they say?


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by pioneer111 on Sun Nov 11, 2007 at 10:45:05 AM EST
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Total non issue (none / 0)

Oh wow, so a staged event is a little stagey. Shock of the world. Really this will be a 100% non issue to most voters. I think most people assume this kind of thing happen at campaing events all the time. Like Edwards and Obama don't try to do things to put their candidates in the best possible light. The anti Hillaries are desperate to make this an issue, but voters couldn't care less.


by Christopher Lib on Sun Nov 11, 2007 at 12:35:45 PM EST

Really bad timing for Hillary. (2.00 / 2)

If this had come out some other time it probably wouldn't be such a big deal, but in the current context it paints a picture of a candidate who plants ringers to get asked the questions she wants to answer, refuses to answer questions she doesn't want to answer, and plays the gender card when she gets called on it.

Not a pretty picture.


by Mystylplx on Sun Nov 11, 2007 at 12:51:06 PM EST

Re: Enough plants for a garden? The Politics of Pl (2.00 / 1)

This isn't just from Fox, its been verified by a number of sources and actually was reported in April but didn't make news so much.


by okamichan13 on Sun Nov 11, 2007 at 01:44:22 PM EST

I'd rather that you link to the Nation than to ... (none / 0)

... Fixed Noise channel, its a more credible source.

Clinton Under Fire for Planting Fake Questions

... plus I'd rather any Google hits and advertising revenue go to the Nation than to Fixed Noise.


*John Edwards* ... and the JE08 Supporters Blog
by BruceMcF on Sun Nov 11, 2007 at 03:48:57 PM EST

Re: Enough plants for a garden? The Politics of Pl (none / 0)

I care about this as much as I do John Edwards haircut.


by world dictator on Sun Nov 11, 2007 at 05:14:59 PM EST


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