This certainly isn't "mudslinging" is it? The Clinton response to Nafta criticism

After the recent Las Vegas debate the press played up Clinton's debate response to the recent criticims from John Edwards and Barack Obama on her voting record and an inability to give straight answers regarding her position on various important issues, including trade issues. Remember this?

And I don't mind taking hits on my record on issues, but when somebody starts throwing mud, at least we can hope that it's both accurate and not right out of the Republican playbook.

Its a good point she made, even if it was off the mark related to Edwards specific criticisms of her, which if anything, were issue-based criticisms from the left - not the right.

So why isn't her campaign listening?

Clinton asked about Nafta

One of the more interesing moments during the debate was when Clinton was asked about Nafta:

And although in her answer she eventually seems to backtrack on her previous support of Nafta, she does so only after Blitzer asks her the follow-up question that really shouldn't be needed.

The problem with her response that many noted - besides the inconsistency of her current position with her prior support of Nafta and current support of the Peru trade agreement despite supporting a moratorium on new trade agreements if she were president - is how dismissive she was of the seriousness of the question, and seemingly of Nafta's impact. My generous guess is that she just wasn't prepared for the question. However, lets keep going and move on to another section of the debate.

The "Republican playbook"
Senator Clinton also called for an end to what she refered to as "throwing mud" and tactics from the "Republican playbook".

And I don't mind taking hits on my record on issues, but when somebody starts throwing mud, at least we can hope that it's both accurate and not right out of the Republican playbook.

Note that she doesn't say exactly what the "mud" is and what came out of the "Republican playbook". And she doesn't get asked, does she? Refering to Edwards specifically:

But for him to be throwing this mud and making these charges I think really detracts from what we're trying to do here tonight. We need to put forth a positive agenda for America...

Again, no specifics on the "mud" or on the "charges". And here's the Edwards response on the "mud throwing" thing from Face the Nation:

But her comments on a positive agenda - that certainly sounds good, doesn't it? Unfortunately, similar to the planting "accidents" that keep popping up, the message just doesn't seem to have filtered down to her campaign. Keep on reading.

Edwards and Obama respond on Nafta, trade
Not surprisingly, both the Edwards campaign and Obama campaign responded to Senator Clinton after the debate on the issue of trade. The Edwards campaign even had a conference call the very next day including union leaders that were pretty upset about the Senator's comments. David Mizner had an excellent diary on this - Edwards to Hillary: NAFTA's not Funny and they released a video response as well:

John Edwards - 1 Million Jobs Lost to NAFTA

Hard-hitting? Yes. Issue-focused? Yes. A response to her own comments and positions on Nafta and trade. And the Clinton response? Read on.

And the Clinton response
So keeping in mind Clinton's comments about throwing mud, the "Republican playbook", the importance to focus on the issues - and the issue-focused response to her from the Edwards campaign, we can aspect something similar from the Clinton campaign right? Maybe a defence of Clinton's new position on trade or a defence of her former position on Nafta? Or maybe continued criticism of Edwards own record on trade issues? Well, thats not what we got.

Here's what we got, courtesy of the Las Vegas Sun:

Clinton's campaign responded by targeting Edwards' previous consulting work for a hedge fund that owned a sub-prime lender.

"If John Edwards really cared about working people, he wouldn't have taken a $500,000 salary from a hedge fund that is foreclosing on working people around the country," said Clinton campaign spokeswoman Hilarie Grey. "Sen. Edwards should spend his time talking about how he's going to help those people instead of launching ridiculous attacks against Sen. Clinton."

So where to start on this one? If we want a perfect example of "mudslinging" and taking things from the "Republican playbook", this seems to be a textbook example, doesn't it? I guess Drudge doesn't copyright his material - or doesn't need to.

First of course, the obvious statement that Edwards doesn't care about working people. I mean, how could he, he worked at a hedge fund right? And hedge fund money is evil - so evil in fact that the Hillary campaign has taken over $980,000 in contributions from the industry, almost 4 times more than Edwards. So she must care about workers a heck of a lot less than Edwards under her own campaign's logic right? Ouch - her campaign is a lot harsher on her than I would be. No matter how much I disagree with her on policy, I would never say she just simply didn't care. And I don't think Edwards or Obama would either no matter how much they disagree with her on any policy.

And second, this of course plays into the typical Republican hypocrite argument - rich Republicans are good, rich democrats are bad. Everyone knows, you can't believe in change if you are rich right? If only FDR had less money, he could have done so much more!

And third, and probably most importantly, her campaign's response doesn't focus on the issue of Nafta or trade at all. Wonder why not? Remember this again?

And I don't mind taking hits on my record on issues

That's quite a response for someone who doesn't mind. and this:

But for him to be throwing this mud and making these charges I think really detracts from what we're trying to do here tonight. We need to put forth a positive agenda for America...

snip

... telling people what we're going to do when we get the chance to go back to the White House.

So given a clear chance to focus on the issues, to respond directly to issue-based criticism, criticism on her record and her debate responses related to Nafta and trade, the Clinton campaign dodges and avoids the issues.

And what do we get instead? Exactly what she warned us about - right-wing Republican talking points. Enough mud for a football field size wrestling match. Positive agenda? Nope.

And will the media cover this statement as much as Edwards and Obama's so-called "attacks" and "piling-on" on Clinton? Nope. Will the pundits bring this up over and over again about how this might hurt her campaign or that she risks being perceived as angry or moving away from a positive campaign?

I doubt it.



Display:


Some interesting definitions (2.00 / 13)

at work in the Clinton campaign.


by okamichan13 on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 12:20:19 AM EST

"Interesting" (1.87 / 8)

That's one word for it, certainly. Others might be "disgusting", "anti-democratic", and "un-American". And unfortunately, this is seemingly just par for the course for the Hillary campaign.


Stop blaming the media. The FACTS have a liberal bias.
by McSnatherson on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 12:42:41 AM EST
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Re: "Interesting" (1.00 / 2)

oh shame on you. Who the fuck do you think you are that you can label people supporting their candidate of choice as "unamerican"?


by alipi on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 01:39:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: oh shame on you (none / 0)

You might wanna work on your reading/writing skills.

A) The adjectives 'interesting', 'anti-democratic', 'unAmerican' referred to the noun 'definitions', not to people.

B) You, on the other hand, get personal right away. This is not appreciated here.

Don't let your emotions carry you away in the future, and I can see why you're upset about this diary - you have NOTHING to refute the points here.


"The way to win a Presidential race against the Republicans is to develop the class warfare issue..." Lee Atwater, Bush `88 campaign manager.
by aufklaerer on Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 07:55:01 AM EST
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Re: Some interesting definitions (2.00 / 5)

Criticizing Hillary's positions is "mud slinging."

Just ask any of the Hillary supporters on mydd.


by Bush Bites on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 09:35:23 AM EST
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Re: Some interesting definitions (2.00 / 1)

Edwards was not criticizing Hillary on the issues when he was booed and when she called him out on mudslinging. He was attacking her character. He attacked her sincerity and her honesty - now flash back, if you will, to a few months ago when I attacked Edwards in the same way. Edwards supporters on this site were ENRAGED, demanding "how dare I" etc..

And yet, now your candidate is taking the same action, Hillary has called it what it is, and suddenly its ok with Edwardsians. Explain that one to me.


by alipi on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 01:43:19 PM EST
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Re: Some interesting definitions (2.00 / 4)

Specifically which line(s) in the debate do you consider to be attacking Sen. Clinton's character, rather than talking about political issues? Here is the transcript.


Keep it short. DemocraticShortList.com
by Rob in Vermont on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 03:26:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Great diary (2.00 / 12)

Voters deserve to know where the candidates stand on the issues and how they differ.

If this is too much for Hillary, then how will she deal during a general election when candidates get bloodied?

Pointing out the differences between the candidates is not "piling on" nor is it "mudslinging."


by NCDemAmy on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 12:41:44 AM EST

Are many here tthat naive? (2.00 / 1)

Clinton played Edwards like a violin at the debate.  That is good politics.  That is the type of candidate we need.


by dpANDREWS on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 07:45:54 AM EST
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Re: Are many here tthat naive? (2.00 / 5)

You are proud that your candidate played Edwards like a violin? It may be "good politics" but it suggests to me a lack of ethics that I've seen enough of in Bush, Cheney, et al.  I thought the American people wanted something different this time....like integrity, telling the truth, answering questions.

Silly me.


by royce on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 09:41:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Do you think national politics is ... (2.00 / 1)

Is similar to the high school debate club?

It is serious business.

Furthermore, hardball politics has been played since the inception of our nation, the Clinton's didn't invent, and they, or any other candidate, despite, what Obama says, can't change it.   Americans LIKE it the way it is.  

In fact it is the way it is because this is a Democracy, and our politics responds to the will of the people.   If the people didn't like it, it would not be the case.  


by dpANDREWS on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 10:10:10 AM EST
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Re: Do you think national politics is ... (2.00 / 3)

and our politics responds to the will of the people

our politics responds to what our corporate masters dictate.


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 10:42:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Do you think national politics is ... (2.00 / 1)

"In fact it is the way it is because this is a Democracy, and our politics responds to the will of the people.   If the people didn't like it, it would not be the case."

You honestly think politicians respond the will of "The People"? Ignorance must be a bliss...

 


by SocialDem on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 06:36:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Goose, Gander. (none / 0)

You didn't seem quite so sanguine about hardball politics when you wrote...

General election damage could come

Edwards and Obama could attack to the point that her general numbers go down.  But I will make a less than bold prediction.  All of their numbers will go down together should a downward movement start.  

[A] giant peeing match on the D side isn't going help anyone.

And then there's today's gushing about playing an opponent like a violin, compared to yesterweek's downplaying:

a lot of this stuff is inside baseball that we political junkies get excited over, but to a voter on Main St. who spends 5 minutes here or 2 minutes there thinking about politics when the time allows or the mood strikes, I am not sure exactly how "damaging" a couple of less than steller debate answers are going to be.


Keep it short. DemocraticShortList.com
by Rob in Vermont on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 10:06:35 PM EST
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More Like a Food-fight (2.00 / 8)

It's interesting to note that the 'mud-slinging' accusations only arose from HRC's campaign after the disastrous two weeks following the Drexel debate when her polling slumped in New Hampshire.  Assuming that she wouldn't be able to dodge and weave around specifics as easily as she has done previously I was looking forward to at least a few weeks of issues-oriented debate.  It has improved, but not in the case of NAFTA, as you point out.  And the rest is hard to hear in the din of feigned outrage.

But now we get the 'mud-slinging' accusations which are inappropriate in the context they were given, regarding policy.  I think this is her response to the raising of the issue of trust which has been at the heart of the controversy surrounding her since Drexel.  It is not a winning issue for her and she knows it, at least her staff do.  And their response is to consider it an attack of a personal nature, hence the 'mud-slinging' narrative.  I am relieved to have the issue of trust come out but her campaign's response seems to rely on the eagerness of the media for controversy and the inattention of the electorate.  It doesn't strike me as a very sophisticated play by her much vaunted campaign team, one of many lacklustre responses in recent weeks.  They won the debate but wrecked the credibility of CNN in the process.

What comes next after they try and establish this narrative?  I'm guessing hagiography and a heavy, dense smokescreen.


by Shaun Appleby on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 12:51:37 AM EST

Re: More Like a Food-fight (2.00 / 1)

" It doesn't strike me as a very sophisticated play by her much vaunted campaign team, one of many lacklustre responses in recent weeks."

- maybe you mean Obama's fumbling response to the driver's license question even after he had 2 weeks to prepare for the question. That alone should give you pause . He had 2 weeks to come up with an answer and he still fumbled it. All his media apologists and supporters keep saying that he is not a good debater and debates are not his best format , I don't know about you but I don't think i want to take the risk of going into the general election with a sub par debater , if Kerry wasn't a good debater he probably would have had a quick night on election day. Debates do matter a lot . If Kerry hadn't beaten Bush at this debates , Bush would have won by a larger margin because they had already assasinated Kerry's character and it was at this debates that he showed that he wasn 't some lilly livered idiot which they had painted him to be.

Obama has just been average in most of these debates and you get the sense he'll rather not be there.

" They won the debate but wrecked the credibility of CNN in the process."

  -  That doesn't even make any sense but i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and wait for a fuller explanation of what you mean by that.

" It doesn't strike me as a very sophisticated play "

- What isn't very sophisticated is running your campaign based on the opinions of liberal bloggers and T.V. pundits . Maybe if Obama limits the amount of time he spends reading blogs , his campaign aides say they are worried about that , maybe he will be running a better campaign now . A sophisticated campaign will not fall into the trap of a republican operative based on a blind item he picked up from god knows where , but who knows maybe he wanted to change the topic from his abysmal performance at the debate.

The first few things he said at the debate was that Clinton wasn't giving straight answers on the driver's license issue and America was ready for that , and a few minutes later he became tongue tied on the same question , Can you imagine that ? The man just undermined his credibility by himself on national television especially in a debate that upwards of 4 million people watched , you accuse someone for not giving a straight answer for a question 2 weeks ago in the last debate , then you are asked the same question and you perform even worse than her despite the fact that you were given 2 weeks to prepare.

His credibility was thrown out of the window right there , it's not everyday that a politician shows hypocrisy right on national television. He proved he was just like any other politician and the whole SNL schtick was just a facade.

That debate will prove to be an important point in this campaign .

Obama just dropped to my third choice after that debate , for you to have two weeks on a question and still come out with that type of performance is frigging unbelievable. If he was working in a business under a ceo and he came up with that performance after being giving two weeks notice , he will be getting his two weeks notice from his boss. That was just horrible.

Biden moved to second place . I don't like Edwards much but I know Guiliani won't kick his butt in a debate but Obama i really don't see him surviving a debate with Guiliani. (I hope he can prove me wrong in the next debate ).

If I were him I will want to change the subject too.
 


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 04:58:29 AM EST
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Re: More Like a Food-fight (2.00 / 1)

I was pretty disappointed in his answer to the driver's license question myself, to say the least.  I was swearing blue oaths at him over it and it seems like a pretty obvious thing to have prepared for, frankly.  Sigh.  But supporters support.

I have a different take on the Novak item, though.  I think he did the right thing and it doesn't matter where the insinuation originated he pushed back fast and emphatically.  It was exactly the kind of thing his detractors had anticipated he would be unable or unwilling to do when this campaign began.  And it was a fitting denouement to the Las Vegas debate, when you think of it.  You can see for yourself how it ultimately was reported away from the epicentre of the daily parsing we do here, I think Obama won that round.  I thought the HRC campaign's response was pretty unimaginative, but I guess that's Wolfson's way of staying on message and not giving an inch.  What the media saw was Obama hitting a snake with a shovel.

As for CNN I'm not sure the network was altogether pleased with some of the reviews although they're no doubt happy with their ratings, it was ever thus.  Hillary did what she had to do, to be sure, but she still answered questions obliquely, such as on NAFTA.  And from now on she is hardly above the fray.

Hard to argue that debates are Obama's strong suit, though he had some strong moments and went 'toe-to-toe' though he clearly flubbed the most important question.  Still, in the aftermath I feel pretty confident going into the home stretch for Iowa.  We'll see.

What's this about Obama reading the blogs?  Where did you read that?


by Shaun Appleby on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 05:29:37 AM EST
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Re: More Like a Food-fight (none / 0)

Sorry, I forgot we are in an Edwards diary, I will continue this discussion with you elsewhere if you like.


by Shaun Appleby on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 05:46:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Well you know how Mydd is (2.00 / 1)

not really sure if there are many rules here anymore :).

I find it rather humorous that Obama is getting criticized by a Clinton supporter for a nuanced answer though, when that was the in vogue defence for Clinton just a few short days ago.


by okamichan13 on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 06:03:32 AM EST
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Re: Well you know how Mydd is (2.00 / 1)

Actually I am not criticizing him for giving a nuanced answer which that wasn't . That was a ramble.

What I am criticizing him for is the fact that he had 2 weeks to prepare for that question , the whole world knew it was going to be asked and he still fumbled it.

That doesn't inspire confidence .

If you are going to criticize someone else for not answering the driver's license question , don't turn around in the same debate and give a worse performance on the same question . It just destroys whatever you are trying to achieve .

However I'll throw in a recommend for your diary and my apologies for veering of course in the discussion.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 06:11:16 AM EST
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seems more like a diversion (2.00 / 2)

to avoid discussion the subject of the diary -- which isn't Obama but Clinton's use of real mud and RW talking points when challenged on her issue positions.


by edgery on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 09:16:44 AM EST
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Re: seems more like a diversion (none / 0)

actually it was a legitimate response to a comment by Shaun. It would help you to scroll up and read the entire thread.


by alipi on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 01:47:43 PM EST
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Re: More Like a Food-fight (none / 0)

Yeah Its an Edwards diary and it will be best not to veer off topic , but with regards to the blog thing , it was in the washington post , maybe a few  days before the philly debate .

If I can dig it , i'll let you have the link in the next obama diary available.

I don't think he won , I think the campaign actually made a fool of themselves , I just saw it as an attempt to change the subject from the debate.

What I heard was the press saying they were surprised he was reacting to a blind attempt by Novak , who didn't say any clinton aides told him anything but just something he was picking up from thin air.

However I know different people will see it differently , I am sure some Obama supporters will believe he showed some kinda of toughness which to me shows that a lot of his supporters have doubts that he is tough enough.

If you are going to show toughness , its better you chose a legitimate issue or else you risk looking funny.

But out of respect for the substance of the diary  this will probably be my last comment.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 06:04:37 AM EST
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Re: More Like a Food-fight (2.00 / 1)

I'll happily take this up with you again at an appropriate opportunity.  Cheers.


by Shaun Appleby on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 07:28:07 AM EST
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Hillary Clinton is a stand for nothing, (2.00 / 1)

down - ticket death virus.

That is all.


The bold progressive leader is the most electable candidate. Reclaim the Democratic Party! Support John Edwards.
by Michael 4 Edwards on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 01:38:05 AM EST

Hillary will lose Iowa (2.00 / 2)

Voters there don't tolerate this laughing when you're questioned about serious matters. They want real answers and they're going to give Hillary big trouble with her textbook Washington campaign.


by Progressive America on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 04:12:43 AM EST

This certainly isn't "mudslinging" (2.00 / 2)

Excellent diary pointing out the obvious double standards of the Clinton campaign.


If it's good enough for Joey it's good enough for Hillary! Like two peas in a pod.
by Hillary Lieberman on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 04:30:20 AM EST

She is ridiculous. (none / 0)

Hypocrisy from the Clinton campaign?  In other news, dog bites man.


by CarolinaNumber23 on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 08:54:47 AM EST

"mudslinging" (none / 0)

like bush, hillary engages in projection. she accuses in others what she herself is guilty of.
remember in the last primaries, somebody ran a fearmongering bin laden ad against howard dean? that was traced back to the clintons. nation magazine reporter caught paul begala bragging about  it. the clintons are fond of emulating the republican playbook. that's why they hired dick morris.
I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 09:21:26 AM EST

another republican tactic (2.00 / 1)

hillary accused somebody asking legitimate questions at her rally of being a plant. she refused to answer their question (i know, big surprise, huh?).

hillary then turns around and peppers her rallies with plants of her own. then cnn planted friendly questions for hillary in the last debate. must be nice to have media aid and abet your campaign.


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 09:26:00 AM EST
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Re: "mudslinging" (none / 0)

You sure do make a lot of crazy assertions with no link to support them.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 05:31:08 PM EST
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Re: "mudslinging" (none / 0)

my mistake for assuming people's familiarity with the 2003 campaign on a political junkies' board. you didn't follow it?


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 08:17:53 AM EST
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Re: (2.00 / 1)

Hillary certainly did play Edwards like a violin.  Surely Edwards isn't so stupid that he thought Hillary was going to stand there and take another beating the way she did at the Drexel debate.  On the other hand, maybe he is that stupid.

Hillary struck both Edwards and Obama in the gut over healthcare and shocked the shit out of them.

Smart politician she is.  


The Facts: Please Read
by Regan on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 10:24:53 AM EST

Re: (none / 0)

what they were shocked about was the hillary plants booing them.


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 10:53:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]

bill and friedman (none / 0)

evidence that suggests hillary isn't serious about backpedaling on future free trade. her husband likes to attend speeches with the doyen and biggest cheerleader of such policies: thomas friedman.

http://www.techlinks.net/CommunityAnnoun cements/tabid/55/articleType/ArticleView /articleId/173881/TechLINKS-Special-Repo rt-Thomas-Friedman-and-Bill-Clinton-Expl ain-the-World.aspx


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 11:19:10 AM EST

Re: This certainly isn't (none / 0)

Obama tried to explain his drivers license answer before giving a clear yes.
Wolf did not want him to explain.
Its a complex issue and voters need to know why he stands where he does. You cannot give a cold yes to an issue that complex without explanation. That would be the perfect republican commercial in the general election.

Curious why Hillary was never asked to explain her changing answers on the issue. Her two answers in the previous debate will be an unedited republican commercial if she ever makes it to the general. That moment of giving 2 answers in less than a minute collaborates every doubt the voters have about the Clintons.


by joachim on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 11:33:23 AM EST

Re: This certainly isn't (none / 0)

plus it was known what obama's position on drivers licenses was before this debate. he supported it before the debate and and he supports it now. wolf tried to paint it as if he flipped-flopped.


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 12:43:40 PM EST
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Re: (none / 0)

Sour grapes.  Sore losers.  Get out of the kitchen.


by reasonwarrior on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 07:21:23 PM EST

Hillary the hypocrite (none / 0)

Hillary is being a hypocrite when she says "If John Edwards really cared about working people, he wouldn't have taken a $500,000 salary from a hedge fund that is foreclosing on working people around the country," said Clinton campaign spokeswoman Hilarie Grey. "Sen. Edwards should spend his time talking about how he's going to help those people instead of launching ridiculous attacks against Sen. Clinton." However, Hillary Clinton receives the most money from the hedge fund industry. Hillary Clinton (D) $980,700 John Edwards (D) $252,550 So according to the Hillary Campaign, Hillary must not really care about working people either since Hillary receives more money than Edwards receives.
by harmony94 on Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 12:50:48 PM EST

Sorry forgot to cite source (none / 0)

Here is the source for hedge fund contributions.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/select .asp?Ind=F27


by harmony94 on Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 12:52:24 PM EST


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